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Minutes:

            The Committee considered the undernoted report:

 

“Relevant Background Information

 

      In December 2007, the then First Minister and the deputy First Minister announced their commitment to work towards the establishment of a Commissioner for Older People.  To take this forward, Deloitte Consulting was commissioned to prepare a feasibility study which considered the extensive evidence base available and looked at other comparable Commissioner models, focusing on the Children’s Commissioner in Northern Ireland and the Older People’s Commissioner in Wales.  In the interim, an Older People’s Advocate was appointed.

 

      The principal aim of establishing a Commissioner for Older People is to safeguard and promote the interests of older people throughout Northern Ireland. 

 

      Summary of proposals

 

      To establish a strong independent voice for older people, it is proposed that:

 

·         A Commissioner for older people will be established with a wide range of promotional, advisory, educational, legal and investigatory functions and powers to be deployed in the interests of older people, both generally and individually.

 

·         The Older People’s Commissioner may have formal agreements (known as Memoranda of Understanding) with other regulatory bodies so that there is a ‘joined-up’ approach to the interests of older people.  Consideration is also being given to whether it is possible or appropriate to have a statutory requirement for collaborative working included in the Draft Bill, or whether the same result could be achieved on a purely voluntary basis by administrative arrangements.

 

·         The Commissioner will be appointed by the First Minister and the deputy First Minister acting jointly, for a term of four years and may serve a maximum of two terms of office.

 

·         Older people will be involved in the process to appoint an Older People’s Commissioner.

 

·         The Commissioner will perform his or her role in respect of people over the age of 60.

 

·         The Commissioner will be able to provide assistance (e.g. offer support, guidance and/or funds) to an older person with their complaint against a relevant authority.

 

·         The Commissioner will support legal cases on behalf of older people.

 

·         The Commissioner will have specific powers to review, in general and individual cases, the advocacy, complaint, inspection and whistle-blowing arrangements of relevant authorities.

 

·         The Office of the First Minister and deputy First Minister will provide funds to the Older People’s Commissioner.

 

·         The Commissioner may appoint such staff as he or she may determine and any function of the Commissioner may be exercised by a member of staff who has been so authorised by the Commissioner.

 

      A copy of the Consultation Documentation can be downloaded from

www.ofmdfm.gov.uk/index/equality/age/older-peoples-commissioner.htm

 

Key Issues

 

      A draft response has been prepared to the consultation questionnaire comprising of 46 questions (attached).  The key points forming this response are:

 

·         The Council welcomes the proposals for a Commissioner for Older People in Northern Ireland that has sufficient powers to protect the interests of older people.  The Council, however, recommends that promoting the interests of older people should not be to the detriment of the wider population or community.

 

·         The Council welcomes the approach of formal agreements (known as Memoranda of Understanding) with other regulatory bodies so that there is a ‘joined-up’ approach to the interests of older people.  The Council asks that synergies are made with the Equality Commission and other Commissioners and that administration costs are kept to a minimum.

 

·         The Council falls within the scope of a relevant authority meaning that a complaint about the Council by an older person can be investigated by the Commissioner.  The Council agrees that the Commissioner should be able to provide assistance to an older person with their complaint against a relevant authority, for example offer support, guidance and/or funds.  The Council recommends that clear guidance is provided to ensure that internal complaints systems are exhausted prior to formal intervention by the Commissioner and that expectations in relation to financial assistance are carefully managed.  The Council is of the view that financial assistance should only be given in special circumstances.

 

·         The Council welcomes the recommendations contained in the Age Sector Report that there should be ‘champions in government and public sector …to work with the Commissioner in promoting and protecting older people’.  The Council, however, recommends that hierarchical structures and unnecessary costs be avoided in the achievement of this recommendation.

 

·         The Council agrees that back office services should be shared where possible to help minimise the impact on the public purse and recommends that the number of new posts created is kept to a minimum.

 

·         The Council is supportive of the proposal that older people are involved in the process of appointing the Commissioner in line with its recognition of the importance of civic participation by older people. 

 

Resource Implications

 

      None.

 

Recommendation

 

      It is recommended that the Committee approves the attached response to the consultation document in relation to the establishment of a Commissioner for Older People in Northern Ireland.

 

COUNCIL RESPONSE

 

1.     Do you agree with the need for a Commissioner for Older People? (See Chapter 1, Paragraph 1.4 and Chapter 2)

 

        Belfast City Council welcomes the proposals for an Older People's Commissioner in Northern Ireland that has sufficient powers to protect the interests of older people, uphold their rights and act with urgency in cases of need.

 

2.     The United Nations Principles for Older Persons are set out in full at Annex 1 of this document. They are: Independence, Participation, Care, Self-fulfilment, and Dignity. (See Chapter 3, Paragraph 3.2).

        Do you think the Commissioner should take account of the UN Principles for Older Persons whenever he or she is deciding:

a)   How to act?

b)   What constitutes the interests of older people?

 

BelfastCity Council agrees that the Commissioner should take account of the UN Principles for Older Persons whenever he or she is deciding how to act and what constitutes the interests of older people.

 

3.     What age range do you think the Commissioner should mainly cover?

 

The Council agrees that the Commissioner should mainly cover the ages 60 and over.

 

4.     Do you think that the Commissioner should be able to provide his or her services to people aged 50 years and over in certain circumstances? (see Chapter 6, Paragraph 6.6)

 

The Council agrees that the Commissioner should cover the ages 50 and over in exceptional circumstances.

 

5.     Do you think that the age range of the people that the Commissioner caters for should be able to be changed? (see Chapter 6, Paragraph 6.8)

 

A period of review with potential for change should be factored into the proposals

 

6.     Do you think that the Commissioner should have a Principal Aim to safeguard and promote the interests of older people? (see Chapter 7, Paragraph 7.1)

 

The Council agrees that the Commissioner should have a Principal Aim to safeguard and promote the interests of older people.  The aim should be clear including a clear purpose of what will be involved for the Commissioner.  Promoting the interests of older people should not be to the detriment of the wider population or community.

 

7.     When dealing with the case of a particular older person, do you think that the Commissioner should have as a paramount consideration the interests of that older person? 

        (see Chapter 7, Paragraph 7.1)

 

The Council agrees that the commissioner should have consideration for the interests of the older person.  The Commissioner should also consider the potential benefits or pitfalls to the whole society in all cases. The Council would ask that a fair and transparent process is adopted in taking into consideration the interests of the wider population/community. 

 

8.     Do you have any other suggestions about what the Principal Aim and Paramount Consideration should be?

 

The aim should be clear including a clear purpose of what will be involved for the Commissioner. 

 

9.     Do you think the Commissioner’s role and functions should be based on the interests of older people? (Chapter 7, Paragraph 7.4)

 

Yes.

Consideration for the interests of the wider population/ community should also be considered

 

10.   Do you agree that the duties proposed (listed in Chapter 8, Paragraph 8.5) are suitable for a Commissioner for Older People?

 

Yes

 

11.   Are there any other duties not included that you believe it would be essential for the Commissioner to carry out?

 

No

 

12.   Do you think the Commissioner should have memoranda of understanding or working protocols with other organisations?  (see Chapter 9, Paragraph 9.4 – 9.6)

 

The Council welcomes the approach to formal agreements with other regulatory bodies so that there is a ‘joined-up’ approach to the interests of older people.  The Council suggests that these protocols are clear in order to avoid confusion or duplication.  The Council asks that synergies are made with the Equality Commission and other Commissioners and that administration costs are kept to a minimum. 

 

13.   Do you agree with the general powers proposed for the Commissioner? (see Chapter 10, Paragraph 10.2) If not, please explain.

 

Yes

 

14.   Are there any other general powers that you think the Commissioner would need?  That is, do you think that there is anything else the Commissioner would need to be able to do?

 

No

 

15.   Due to the potential for a conflict of interest (see Chapter 10, Paragraph 10.7) we are not currently proposing that the Commissioner should have powers of mediation or arbitration, however we are interested in your views on the following potential options:

 

a)   If it is possible, should the Commissioner be able to provide financial assistance towards the cost of mediation in a dispute involving an older person?

b)   Should the Commissioner hold a register of mediation/arbitration services and be able to direct older people to these services?

c)   Do you think the Commissioner should have the power to ‘make arrangements’ with any other person to provide mediation/arbitration services in relation to disputes involving older people?

 

        Finally, in what circumstances do you think that mediation or arbitration would be appropriate?

 

a)   The Council is not averse to provision of financial assistance however the Council would ask where the funding would come from and what criteria would be applied to ascertain whether funding would be provided.  How would this message be communicated and the expectations of this be managed within the older population?  The Council would ask that the boundary between the Commissioner’s powers and civil action through a court of law is clearly defined.

 

b)   The Commissioner should hold a register of mediation/arbitration services and be able to direct older people to these services

 

c)   The Commissioner should have the power to ‘make arrangements’ with any other person to provide mediation/arbitration services in relation to disputes involving older people.  However the commissioner’s independence in these circumstances should not be compromised.

 

16.   Do you agree that the Commissioner should have the specific powers to review in general and individual cases, the advocacy, complaint, inspection and whistle-blowing arrangements of relevant authorities? (See Chapter 11, Paragraph 11.5)

 

Yes

 

17.   Do you agree that the Commissioner should be able to provide assistance (e.g. offer support, guidance and/or funds) to an older person with their complaint against a relevant authority? (See Chapter 11, Paragraph 11.8)

 

The Commissioner should be able to provide assistance to an older person. 

The Council suggests that internal complaints systems are exhausted previous to Commissioner involvement.  Expectations in relation to financial assistance should be carefully managed by the Commissioner.

Financial assistance should be given in special circumstances only and clear guidance given for when the Commissioner would be involved.

 

18.   In relation to relevant authorities, do you think there are any other formal or specific powers (in addition to those outlined in Chapter 11, Paragraphs 11.5 – 11.14) that the Commissioner would need?

 

No

 

19.   What do you think the Commissioner should be able to do if a relevant authority (see Annex 6) does not follow the Commissioner’s recommendations?

        (See Chapter 11, Paragraphs 11.16 – 11.21)

 

The Commissioner should provide support to relevant authorities in following their recommendations. 

Any punishments should be considered in line with the legal standing of the recommendations and considering the relevant authority’s circumstances including resources.

 

20.   In Chapter 11, Paragraph 11.23 we set out the reasons why the Commissioner should not act in any case where an existing organisation already has the power to act.  What do you think about this?

 

Agree

 

21.   Do you think that the list of organisations at Annex 6 should be included as relevant authorities?

        (Chapter 11, Paragraph 11.30 – 11.31)

 

Yes

 

22.   Are there any other organisations that you believe should be included in Annex 6 as relevant authorities?

 

Private, Community and Voluntary organisations

 

23.   If you answer yes to question 22, can you explain why they should be included?

 

In order to benefit from the commissioners powers and independence and scrutiny. 

 

24.   Of the three potential options, outlined in Chapter 11, Paragraph 11.39, regarding the extent of the Commissioner’s powers in relation to relevant authorities, which do you consider to be the most appropriate and why?

 

Option 3

All organisations are expected to work to a similar standard, be scrutinised in the same way and gain similar benefits. 

 

25.   Do you have any other suggestions in relation to question 24?

 

No

 

26.   Do you agree that the Commissioner should be able to take or support legal cases?  (support includes providing financial support) (See Chapter 12, Paragraph 12.1)

 

The expectations of this needs to be managed and a clear differentiation made between test cases and routine civil action. 

 

27.   As explained in Chapter 12, Paragraph 12.4, it is very unlikely that the Assembly will be able to give the Commissioner ‘victim standing’ for Human Rights cases.  What is your view of the Commissioner having ‘victim standing’, that is being able to take Human Rights cases in his or her own name?

 

The Council is supportive of this principle, but is of the opinion that the legal implications for the Commissioner on this matter should be considered in making a decision.

 

28.   Regarding Chapter 13, what are the main issues that you think the Commissioner should be able to speak out about?

 

Social inclusion

Age discrimination

Poverty

Services for older people

Healthy ageing

 

29.   Do you agree that the Commissioner should be a full-time paid post?

 

The Council agrees in theory subject to funding and the sustainability of the post and support structures.

 

30.   Who should be responsible for appointing a Commissioner for Older People? (See Chapter 14, Paragraph 14.6)

 

        OFMDFM should be responsible for appointing the Commissioner on the basis of a transparent appointment process.

 

31.   Should older people have a role in the recruitment/selection process for a Commissioner?

        (See Chapter 14, Paragraph 14.7 – 14.8)

 

The Council agrees that older people should be represented in the process for selecting a commissioner.  The role for older people in this process should be made clear.  

 

32.   If you answered yes to question 31, how should it be done? (see Chapter 14, Paragraph 14.7 – 14.11)

 

In a clear and transparent way to ensure they are clear of the role

 

33.   How long should the term of appointment for the Commissioner be? (See Chapter 14, Paragraph 14.15)

 

3 years initially to give the person an opportunity to establish the post and following that the appointment should be subject to review

 

34.   Should the Commissioner be eligible for reappointment? (See Chapter 14, Paragraph 14.15)

 

Yes

 

35.   Do you agree with the proposal that the Older People’s Commissioner should be an independent body sponsored (including funded) by OFMDFM?

        (See Chapter 14, Paragraph 14.16)

 

The Council agrees that the Older People’s Commissioner should be an independent body sponsored (including funded) by OFMDFM.  The Council welcomes that the Commissioner should have clear links with the Equality Commission and other commissioners and share a consistent approach and potentially resources. Costs need to be kept to a minimum.

 

36.   Do you agree that the Commissioner should be accountable to the Department /body that provides his or her funding (i.e. OFMDFM)? (By accountable we mean report on his or her actions and how the Commissioner’s office allocates and spends his or her budget). (See Chapter 14, Paragraph 14.17 ? 14.20)

 

37.   To achieve accountability of the Commissioner to older people, do you think that older people should be consulted (and informed) about the priorities of the Commissioner and what the Commissioner does? (See Chapter 14, Paragraph 14.21 – 14.22)

 

Yes

 

38.   The Age Sector Report[1] recommended that the, ‘Commissioner should have an active relationship with, but be demonstrably independent from, stakeholder organisations.’  Do you agree with this statement?

 

The Council is in agreement with this statement.

 

39.   If you answered yes to question 38, how do you think this should be achieved?

 

Through engagement with older people and by developing synergies with existing organisations and partnerships that facilitate strong representation and advocacy on behalf of older people.

 

40.   The Age Sector Report [2] recommended that there should be ‘an infrastructure of champions in government and across the public sector, with visible leadership demonstrated at Ministerial level, to work with’ the Commissioner ‘in promoting and protecting older people’. Do you agree with this recommendation? (Chapter 14, Paragraph 14.23)

 

The Council welcomes the recommendations of The Age Sector Report that there should be ‘champions in government and public sector …to work with the Commissioner in promoting and protecting older people’.  The Council would not be in support of an unnecessary or cumbersome hierarchical structure being developed or unnecessary costs being incurred in order to achieve this recommendation. 

 

41.   If you answered yes to question 40 – how do you think they will improve the lives of older people?

 

In driving forward the agenda for older people within their respective Departments, organisations and constituencies.

 

        It is good practice for every organisation providing services to the public to have a complaints procedure. Do you think the Commissioner should have one? (See Chapter 14, Paragraph 14.24- 14.26)

 

Yes

 

42.   Do you agree that the Commissioner should be able to recommend the legislation should be changed? (See Chapter, Paragraph 14.27)

 

Yes

 

43.   If you answered yes to Question 40, how often do you think the Commissioner should be required to examine the legislation? (See Chapter 14, Paragraph 14.28)

 

A.  Every 3 years.

B.  Every 4 years.

C.  Every 5 years.

 

The time period should be considered in line with best practice

 

44.   How can the Older People’s Commissioner demonstrate value for money? (See Chapter 15, Paragraph 15.6 – 15.7)

 

To set clear goals and outcomes and deliver and report on them.

 

45.   Do you agree that, where possible, the Commissioner should share back office services (e.g. administrative costs or accommodation) with other Commissions to help to save public money? (See Chapter 15, Paragraph 15.8 – 15.10)

 

The Council agrees that back office services should be shared where possible to help save public money.  Efficiency and effectiveness should be considered in all decisions.

The Council suggests that the Commissioner considers carefully the alignment of the office with other commissioners and avoids creating new posts unless absolutely necessary.”

 

            The Committee adopted the recommendation.

 



[1]     ‘A Commissioner for Older People in Northern Ireland -: A Report and Recommendations from the Age Sector’, February 2009. Recommendation 9 (page 18).

 

[2]     A Commissioner for Older People in Northern Ireland -: A Report and Recommendations from the Age Sector’, February 2009. Recommendation 8(page 18).

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